Monthly Archives:November 2010

I found this great nugget on the nanog list again.  You can read my opinions about this tussle here and here.

In a message written on Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 08:12:23PM -0600, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
> The part that I find most interesting about this current debacle is how
> Comcast has managed to convince people that this is a peering dispute,
> when in reality Comcast and Level3 have never been peers of any kind.
> Comcast is a FULL TRANSIT CUSTOMER of Level3, not even a paid peer. This
> is no different than a Comcast customer refusing to pay their cable
> modem bill because Comcast "sent them too much traffic" (i.e. the
> traffic that they requested), and then demanding that Comcast pay them
> instead. Comcast is essentially abusing it's (in many cases captive)
> customers to extort other networks into paying them if they want
> uncongested access. This is the kind of action that virtually BEGS for
> government involvement, which will probably end badly for all networks.
Actually it appears to be Level 3 who fired the first PR salvo
running to the FCC, if the date stamps on the statements are right.
So it's really Level 3 framing as a net neutrality peering issue
the fact that Comcast balked at paying them more.

Netflix is today apparently delivered via Akamai, who has nodes
deep inside Comcast.  Maybe Akamai pays Comcast, I actually don't
think that is the case from an IP transit point of view, but I think
they do pay for space and power in Comcast data centers near end
users.  But anyway, this Netflix data is close to the user, and
going over a settlement free, or customer connection.

Level 3 appears to have sucked Netflix away, and wants to double
dip charging Netflix for the transit, and Comcast for the transit.
Worse, they get to triple dip, since they are Comcast's main fiber
provider.  Comcast will have to buy more fiber to haul the bits
from the Equinix handoffs to the local markets where Akamai used
to dump it off.  Worse still, Level 3 told them mid-novemeber that
the traffic would be there in december.  Perhaps 45 days to provision
backbone and peering to handle this, during the holiday silly season.
Perhaps Level 3 wanted to quadruple dip with the expedite fees.

Yet with all of this Level 3 runs to the FCC screaming net neutrality.
Wow.  That takes balls.  Comcast did itself no favors respnding
with "it's a ratio issue" rather than laying out the situation.

What I wonder is why Netflix and Comcast are letting middle men like
Level 3 and Akamai jerk both of them around.  These two folks need to
get together and deal with each other, cutting out the middle man....
-- Leo Bicknell - - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at

Folks are piling onto Comcast but I am thinking they are wrong.  There’s one section in this post that blows Level 3’s arguments so full of holes swiss cheese looks solid:

So what’s the issue? Level 3 told the world that Comcast had hit it up for more money in order to deliver traffic from Level 3′s customers (such as Netflix) to Comcast’s 17 million broadband subscribers. Level 3 said Comcast’s demand for more dough violated the principles of the Open Internet, which is shorthand for net neutrality. On the other side, Comcast, said Level 3 was trying to sell itself as a CDN while not having to pay fees to Comcast as other CDNs do. In short Level 3, was calling itself a CDN to its customers and a backbone provider to Comcast. This (plus the fact that Level 3 owns one of the largest Internet backbone networks) enabled it to undercut its competitors in the CDN business because it didn’t have to pay the fees that Akamai or Limelight did to get content onto Comcast’s network.

For example, Level 3 even told people back in 2007 that it could deliver CDN services for thesame price as Internet access, a feat made possible because it owned its own networks. So when Comcast pointed out the traffic Level 3 was sending to its network would more than double to reach a 5:1 ratio when compared to the Comcast traffic sent over Level 3′s network, it was justifying its decision to act, something covered in Comcast’s peering agreement . (For detailed analysis of Comcast’s peering agreement check out this post from Vijay Gill.)

Nough said.  I think Level 3 got caught trying to double dip here and it’s now crying foul.  Comcast’s peering policy is clear in this instance as noted here.  Level 3 is just playing on the “hey this company is huge so they are automatically evil” mindset so many Americans have grown up with(which is a fantasy BTW).  I’m not saying Comcast is an angel but I don’t think they are the bad guys here.

Karl has this one nailed.  Just because Comcast is the bigger of the two doesn’t make it automatically wrong.  L3 is trying to push the colocation costs of CDN traffic to Comcast and L3 got Called on it.  Here’s a post on NANOG I found that very well illustrates what’s really going on:

Having been involved with a few peering spats in the past I know
what is said publically rarely matches the reality behind the scenes.
In this particular case my spidy sense tells me there is absolutely
something interesting behind the scenes, but the question is what.

I’d never really paid attention to how Netflix delivers its content.
It’s obviously a lot of bandwidth, and likely part of the issue
here so I thought I would investigate.

Apparently Akamai has been the primary Netflix streaming source
since March. LimeLight Networks has been a secondary provider, and
it would appear those two make up the vast majority of Netflix’s
actual streaming traffic. I can’t tell if Netflix does any streaming
out of their own ASN, but if they do it appears to be minor.

Here’s a reference from the business side of things:….

This is also part of the reason I went back to the very first message in
this thread to reply:

In a message written on Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 05:28:18PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> > <….
> >
> > I understand that politics is off-topic, but this policy affects operational aspects of the ‘Net.
Patrick works for Akamai, it seems likely he might know more about
what is going on. Likely he can’t discuss the details, but wanted
to seed a discussion. I’d say that worked well.

I happen to be a Comcast cable modem customer. Gooling for people
who had issues getting to Netflix streaming turned up plenty of
forum posts with traceroutes to Netflix servers on Akamai and
Limelight. I did traceroutes to about 20 of them from my cable
modem, and it’s clear Comcast and Akamai and Comcast and Limelight
are interconnected quite well. Akamai does not sell IP Transit,
and I’m thinking it is extremely unlikely that Comcast is buying
transit from Limelight. I will thus conclude that these are either
peering relationships, or that they have cut some sort of special
“CDN Interconnect” deal with Comcast.

But what about Level 3? One of my friends I was chatting with on AIM
said they thought Comcast was a Level 3 customer, at least at one time.
Google to the rescue again.

Level 3 provides fiber to Comcast (20 year deal in 2004):….

Level 3 provides voice services/support to Comcast:….

Perhaps the most interesting though is looking up an IP on Comcast’s
local network here in my city in L3’s looking glass:….

Slightly reformatting for your viewing pleasure, along with my comments:

Community: North_America
Level3_Customer # Level 3 thinks they are a customer
Suppress_to_AS174 # Cogent
Suppress_to_AS1239 # Sprint
Suppress_to_AS1280 # ISC
Suppress_to_AS1299 # Telia
Suppress_to_AS1668 # AOL
Suppress_to_AS2828 # XO
Suppress_to_AS2914 # NTT
Suppress_to_AS3257 # TiNet
Suppress_to_AS3320 # DTAG
Suppress_to_AS3549 # GBLX
Suppress_to_AS3561 # Savvis
Suppress_to_AS3786 # LG DACOM
Suppress_to_AS4637 # Reach
Suppress_to_AS5511 # OpenTransit
Suppress_to_AS6453 # Tata
Suppress_to_AS6461 # AboveNet
Suppress_to_AS6762 # Seabone
Suppress_to_AS7018 # AT&T
Suppress_to_AS7132 # AT&T (ex SBC)

So it would appear Comcast is a transit customer of Level 3 (along with
buying a lot of other services from them). I’m going to speculate that
the list of supressed ASN’s are peers of both Level 3 and Comcast, and
Comcast is going that so those peers can’t send some traffic through
Level 3 in attempt to game the ratios on their direct connections to

Now a more interesting picture emerges. Let me emphasize that this is
AN EDUCATED GUESS on my part, and I can’t prove any of it.

Level 3 starts talking to Netflix, and offers them a sweetheart deal to
move traffic from Akamai to Level 3. Part of the reason they are
willing to go so low on the price to Netflix is they will get to double
dip by charging Netflix for the bits and charging Comcast for the bits,
since Comcast is a customer! But wait, they also get to triple dip,
they provide the long haul fiber to Comcast, so when Comcast needs more
capacity to get to the peering points to move the traffic that money
also goes back to Level 3! Patrick, from Akamai, is unhappy at losing
all the business, and/or bemused at the ruckus this will cause and
chooses to kick the hornets nest on NANOG.

One last thing, before we do some careful word parsing. CDN’s like
Akamai and LimeLight want to be close to the end user, and the
networks with end users want them to be close to the end user. It
doesn’t make sense to haul the bits across the country for any party
involved. Akamai does this by locating clusters inside providers
networks, LimeLight does it by provisioning bandwidth from their
data centers directly to distribution points on eyeball networks.

So let’s go back and look at the public statements now:

Level 3 said:….

“On November 19, 2010, Comcast informed Level 3 that, for the first
time, it will demand a recurring fee from Level 3 to transmit Internet
online movies and other content to Comcast’s customers who request such

Comcast said:….

“Comcast has long established and mutually acceptable commercial
arrangements with Level 3’s Content Delivery Network (CDN) competitors
in delivering the same types of traffic to our customers. Comcast
offered Level 3 the same terms it offers to Level 3’s CDN competitors
for the same traffic.”

You can make both of these statements make sense if the real situation
is that Comcast told Level 3 they needed to act like a CDN if they were
going to host Netflix. Rather than having Comcast pay as a customer,
they needed to show up in various Comcast distribution centers around
the country where they could drop traffic off “locally”. To Comcast
this is the same deal other CDN’s get, it matches their statement. To
Level 3, this means paying a fee for bandwidth to these locations, and
being that they are Comcast locations it may even mean colocation fees
or other charges directly to Comcast. Comcast said if you’re not going
to show up and do things like the CDN players then we’re going to hold
you to a reasonable peering policy, like we would anyone else making us
run the bits the old way.

The most interesting thing to me about all of this is these companies
clearly had a close relationship, fiber, voice, and IP transit all on
long term deals. If my speculation is right I’m a bit surprised Level 3
would choose to piss off such a long term large customer by bringing
Netflix to the party like this, which is one of the reasons I doubt my
speculation a bit.

But, to bring things full circle, neither of the public statements tell
the whole story here. They each tell one small nugget, the nugget that
side wants the press to run with so they can score political points.

Business is messy, and as I’ve said throughout this thread this isn’t
about peering policies or ratios, there are deeper business interests
on both sides. This article:….

Suggests Level 3 is adding 2.9 Terabits of capacity just for Netflix.
I’m sure a lot of that is going to Comcast users, since they are the
largest residential broadband ISP.

Messy. Very messy.

— Leo Bicknell – – CCIE 3440 PGP keys at

Comcast: Pay Or No Play (NFLX, CMCSA) in [Market-Ticker].

If you have a 401K get out of it…yesterday.  it’s only a matter of time before the US gov’t does this as well.

France, Ireland and Hungary Seize Pensions As Part of Move By Governments to Use Long Term Assets to Fill Short-Term Deficits ? Washington’s Blog.

You still submit to this pornfest/sexual assault why?

via YouTube – #w00tstock Seattle: Adam Savage says “WTF, TSA?”.

Hat Tip to Molotov Mitchel  for letting me know about this one.

52 Godly Men : Men of Today Teaching the Men of Tomorrow.

This company’s game engine is brutal even on the latest hardware but the graphics are gorgeious.  This is being relased for PC, PS3, AND Linux.

YouTube – OilRush naval strategy game: the first teaser.

Nough the link.  I would just hang out on this blog.  He is doing the best job of outing this travesty.  It’ll be a bigger travesty if the American people continue to allow this.  If WE don’t stop this right now by NOT FLYING AT ALL we have become the U.S.S.A.  I honestly hope we have not become that.

TSA Steals **A Child**? You Decide – MarketTicker Forums.

The Commercial No Network Will Air – MarketTicker Forums.

This is a huge report.  Read EVERY page.  Now the courts are involved int he fraud.  If it’s happening in Florida it’s everywhere folks.  check on your own mortgage immediately..make sure you have the paperwork on your own.  Don’t depend on the mortgage brokers to have their copy.

The foreclosure lawyers down in Jacksonville had warned me, but I was skeptical. They told me the state of Florida had created a special super-high-speed housing court with a specific mandate to rubber-stamp the legally dicey foreclosures by corporate mortgage pushers like Deutsche Bank and JP Morgan Chase. This “rocket docket,” as it is called in town, is presided over by retired judges who seem to have no clue about the insanely complex financial instruments they are ruling on — securitized mortgages and laby rinthine derivative deals of a type that didn’t even exist when most of them were active members of the bench. Their stated mission isn’t to decide right and wrong, but to clear cases and blast human beings out of their homes with ultimate velocity. They certainly have no incentive to penetrate the profound criminal mysteries of the great American mortgage bubble of the 2000s, perhaps the most complex Ponzi scheme in human history — an epic mountain range of corporate fraud in which Wall Street megabanks conspired first to collect huge numbers of subprime mortgages, then to unload them on unsuspecting third parties like pensions, trade unions and insurance companies (and, ultimately, you and me, as taxpayers) in the guise of AAA-rated investments. Selling lead as gold, shit as Chanel No. 5, was the essence of the booming international fraud scheme that created most all of these now-failing home mortgages.

via Matt Taibbi: Courts Helping Banks Screw Over Homeowners | Rolling Stone Politics.

Third party quotes are italicized while karl’s comments are underlined.  After you read the following material hit the link as well.  take this all in.  children are being actively molested by TSA agents.  Are you REALLY able to consciously allow your children to fly now in the face of this?  Really?

En route home through Charlotte, our 6 year old son was subjected to an aggressive pat down by a female TSA employee. He was pleading for me to help him and I was admonished for trying to comfort him. His genitals area was groped. He walked down to the plane in tears. When the stewardess asked why he was crying, I explained my frustration and I was further admonished for not being more compliant.

More compliant? A six year old is accosted by your goon squad in a fashion that would be chargeable as a a felony sexual assault if committed by a member of the public and the TSA and airline staff want his parents to be “more compliant”?I have three words in response to that: Go To Hell.

“One of the most frustrating aspects of this fight against terrorism is that it has created a whole security apparatus around us that causes huge inconvenience for all of us,” Obama said.

One of the most-frustrating part of this “fight against terrorism” is that you are 3,000 times more likely to die in an automobile crash on the way to the airport than you are due to terrorism during the flight and yet your administration is demanding that we suffer strip searches and gropes to get on the plane.

via President Obama: Stop Lying TSA – MarketTicker Forums.

The TSA warns that any “would-be commercial airline passenger” who enters an airport checkpoint and refuses to be subjected to “the method of inspection designated by the TSA will not be allowed to fly and also will not be permitted to simply leave the airport” (emphasis added).

The TSA will work with local police in order to make sure the person remains on the premises and answers questions. “Anyone refusing faces fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest,” reports the Palm Beach Post.

“Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave that process,” Sari Koshetz, regional TSA spokesperson, told the Florida newspaper. The policy includes people who decide not to fly.

via TSA Warns Travelers May Be Arrested, Detained, and Fined for Refusing Search.

This reminds me of Ryan in so many ways.  I work with him at my mowing job Mike’s mowing.  Ryan is hte owner’s son.  Sometimes he drives me nuts but you simply can’t look past his personality..:)

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Now the oppression begins.  This person resisted and now he’s “under investigtion”

TSA to investigate body scan resister –

Are you still going to fly now?  This WILL CONTINUE UNTIL YOU DON’T SLY AT ALL!!!

The TSA’s invasive new screening measures include officers literally putting their hands down people’s pants if they are wearing baggy clothing in a shocking new elevation of groping procedures that have stoked a nationwide revolt against privacy-busting airport security measures.

via TSA Now Putting Hands Down Fliers’ Pants.

This also has video at the bottom of the post.  Read the whole things closely..don’t just scan it.

: TSA encounter at SAN.

Janet Tavakoli On Bank Foreclosure Fraud – MarketTicker Forums.

Janet Tavakoli on Bank Foreclosure Fraud from David Fry on Vimeo.

According to patent law math is one thing that can’t be patented.  What is software?  At it’s most basic it’s 1’s and 0’s which is…math.  Cpu’s process things in integers and floating point calculations..and that’s…math.  How about we simply enforce the current patent law and have all software patents thrown out?

For leaders like Moglen to discourage direct lobbying against software patenting probably won’t help to drain the swamp, either. The open-source community must start to take the problem of software patenting seriously, and must hold its commercial partners responsible to invest more of the profits made from open source into protection of the right to produce it.

via Red Hat’s Secret Patent Deal and the Fate of JBoss Developers: Cloud «.

Hello!  This is nother major violation of the US Constitution by the gov’t.

Lookout! Government peering at you with X-rays on highway.

Opt Out of the Airport Scanners for Health and Privacy – We Won’t Fly .com.

So either you get molested or you get added to the government’s pornography collection.  You folks continue to fly why?

Agents were funneling every passenger at this particular checkpoint through a newly installed back-scatter body imaging device, which allows the agency’s security officers to, in essence, see under your clothing. The machine captures an image of your naked self, including your genitals, and sends the image to an agent in a separate room. I don’t object to stringent security (as you will soon see), but I do object to meaningless security theater (Bruce Schneier’s phrase), and I believe that we would be better off if the TSA focused its attentions on learning the identity and background of each passenger, rather than on checking whether passengers are carrying contraband (as I suggested in this article, it is possible for a moderately clever person to move contraband through TSA screenings with a fair amount of ease, even with this new technology).

In part because of the back-scatter imager’s invasiveness (a TSA employee in Miami was arrested recently after he physically assaulted a colleague who had mocked his modestly sized penis, which was fully apparent in a captured back-scatter image), the TSA is allowing passengers to opt-out of the back-scatter and choose instead a pat-down. I’ve complained about TSA pat-downs in the past, because they, too, were more security theater than anything else. They are, as I would learn, becoming more serious, as well.


I pointed out to the security officer that 50 percent of the American population has no balls (90 percent in Washington, D.C., where I live), so what is going to happen when the pat-down officer meets no resistance in the crotchal area of women? “If there’s no resistance, then there’s nothing there.”

“But what about people who hide weapons in their cavities? I asked. I actually said “vagina” again, just to see him blush. “We’re just not going there,” he reiterated.

I asked him if he was looking forward to conducting the full-on pat-downs. “Nobody’s going to do it,” he said, “once they find out that we’re going to do.”

In other words, people, when faced with a choice, will inevitably choose the Dick-Measuring Device over molestation? “That’s what we’re hoping for. We’re trying to get everyone into the machine.” He called over a colleague. “Tell him what you call the back-scatter,” he said. “The Dick-Measuring Device,” I said. “That’s the truth,” the other officer responded.

The pat-down at BWI was fairly vigorous, by the usual tame standards of the TSA, but it was nothing like the one I received the next day at T.F. Green in Providence. Apparently, I was the very first passenger to ask to opt-out of back-scatter imaging. Several TSA officers heard me choose the pat-down, and they reacted in a way meant to make the ordinary passenger feel very badly about his decision. One officer said to a colleague who was obviously going to be assigned to me, “Get new gloves, man, you’re going to need them where you’re going.”

via For the First Time, the TSA Meets Resistance – Jeffrey Goldberg – National – The Atlantic.

Some travelers are also livid about how children are being screened. During a trip last Sunday by a father and son through Orlando airport in Florida, the 8-year-old boy was selected for extra screening by TSA after going through the metal detector.

The father said the officer described the procedure before conducting it. Then he patted down the boy in the open security area, using the backside of his hands to check his genital area, he said.

via Pilots and passengers rail at new airport patdowns | Reuters.

Words aren’t the link.

TSA = “The Sexual Assault” (On Children?!) – MarketTicker Forums.

nough the link.

Drudge Stirs National Debate On TSA Abuse.

Anyone who thinks these machines don’t generate pornography is either blind or willfully ignorant.

Backlash grows over TSA’s ‘naked strip searches’ | Privacy Inc. – CNET News.

If you aren’t interested in hearing some hard nosed truth not glossed over and made nice and squishy don’t hit play.  If you want to see the non pc presentation of some very relevant truths not only watch the video but look at the playlist embedded as well.

Heart Attack Grill serves ‘quadruple bypass burgers’ – TODAY Health – Diet and nutrition –

This article says it better than i can.  The GPL is actually now causing more issues than it solved.  I would actually use the GPL to RESTRICT who can use my software and how..whereas the BSD license is truly a Free Open Source license.

Internal Email on Why a Software Company Migrates Away from MySQL.

These body scanners produce clear images of naked persons..including’s a porn fest.  If you refuse the scanners you are then sexually assaulted by the TSA.  I will not fly at this point..ever…i’m going to not let my girls on flights either.

TSA Groping Out Of Control.

Sex, Drugs More Common in Hyper-Texting Teens –

To me, Obama’s rationalization for the extravagance is more outrageous than spending more money the U.S. Treasury doesn’t have.

He says the purpose of the India excursion is to bring jobs and economic opportunities to the U.S. through expanded trade.

What’s wrong with this picture?

Expanded trade with India for the foreseeable future spells a continued massive exodus of jobs from the U.S. India represents cheap labor for multinational U.S. corporations. That’s why you so often hear an Indian voice on the other end of a customer service phone call. Got a computer problem? You call an India call service center. Got question about your phone bill? You’re likely connected to an India call center. Behind on your mortgage loan payments because you’re out of work or underemployed? You are likely to get a call from an India call service center asking you to make a payment to avoid foreclosure.

via Obama’s $2 billion India armada.

His title says it all eam owner-general manager Jerry Jones

Jerry Jones needs to fire himself as the general manager….most likely as the team owner as well because he can’t out of the team’s way so the team can actually play and win.  When he has somebody who would time him to kiss off(jimmy johnson, bill parcells) the cowboys were either decent or champions.  Now they simply just average to just plain awful.  Jason Garrett needs to fire himself as the offensive coordinator…the boys offense hasn’t been all that great…If i were Jason i would just be a head coach and get somebody who’s known offense their entire career to be offensive coordinator. news: Phillips fired as Cowboys make mid-season coaching change.

“One of the things that plucks my nerves is being led by followers”

Heather Warren

While our economy goes down the toilet he hosts not only opulent parties with the most expensive things that can be bought but this level of spending for a trade summit is beyond description.  The US economy is burning and he is out dancing all over the world.

Obama’s India visit security erect a bomb proof tunnel at the Gandhi museum | Mail Online.

Ford’s EcoBoost F-150 packs a powerful punch – Business – Autos – MotorHead –

You’ll need another company’s V-10 to outdo this truck’s v6!!!!

InnoDB Storage Engine Dropped From Oracle MySQL Classic Edition.

Oracle owns Innodb and now MySQL.  It’s time to move from Mysql to postgres.  Not one of the mysql forks..but postgres.  Oracle is beginning the squeeze of Sun’s properties.

I saw this on by steve machol

I want to live in a world where a chicken can cross a road without its motives being questioned.

Slashdot Developers Story | 33 Developers Leave

Openoffice is for all intents dead.  Libreoffice is where it’s at which is what i am going to be trying out for possible reccomendations.