Can a Christian wife withhold sex as a way to change her husband’s bad behavior?

Can sexual refusal be used by a wife to change her husband’s bad behavior? Does God allow sexual refusal as method for addressing wrong behavior on the part of a husband? Can bad behavior on the part of a husband justify a sexless marriage?

I recently received this very heartfelt comment from a Christian wife named Jenn and you can see how much she is hurting as you read this. I would be willing to bet there are many Christian wives that face a very similar scenario. The emotion runs deep in this story, and I think for some valid reasons.

Jenn’s story

“I agree that a sexless marriage is not God’s plan and that both parties should do everything in their power to maintain their physical union and covenant. However, I do not believe it is appropriate to give a blanket statement that denying sex in a marriage is sin. Sometimes, refusing sex becomes necessary as an effort to PRESERVE THE MARRIAGE when the husband repeatedly shrugs off spiritual leadership in the home, ignores the wife’s emotional needs, treats the wife as a roommate, does NOT consistently do the steps you outlined above (going on dates, upgrading around the house, show any type of affection, etc.) leaves ALL THE PARENTING TO THE WIFE, and then just expects to get laid!

Continuing to engage in intercourse under those circumstances is submitting to sexual abuse, even though there is no force or violence involved. Continuing to engage in intercourse for the wife leaves the door open for bitterness and resentment to fester. NO! The wife does NOT want to live in a sexless marriage, but neither does she want to be devalued and violated, either.
Yes, private communication was sought out to correct these issues… as was counseling that went on for 18 months… communication among godly, loving friends. To make matters worse, this person is an elder and a counselor in the church! Is all this grounds for divorce? Most say no. Does one uproot the children because one spouse is spiritually lazy and hypocritical? Difficult call.

Should the pleading spouse continue to allow the husband to treat her this way? Or should she stand her ground that she needs to be valued and cherished? The sexless part is actually the decision of the husband for refusing to correct his behavior out of pride.
So before you heap on condemnation, perhaps you should spend more time encouraging the husbands (or the wives, for that matter) to deeply investigate WHY there is no interest in sex in the first place.”

My response to Jenn and any other Christian wife who finds herself in this situation

I believe it is possible based on Jenn’s statements that her husband is sinning against her by not “knowing her” as the Bible commands him to do:

“Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.” – I Peter 3:7(KJV)

I wrote a post a while back entitled “10 ways to know your wife” – and these things are a challenge and admonition to all of us as Christian husbands (including myself). Yes we will fail as husbands and we may not do all these things as we should, but we need to get up each and every day and ask ourselves as men – “Am I communicating with my wife as I should? Do I know her concerns? Am I addressing areas where she needs my help?”

God knows that a wife needs her husband to know her on a spiritual, emotional and physical level. This is why he commanded husbands to dwell with their wives “according to knowledge”. A man cannot know his wife as God would have him to without talking to her, and listening to her on a daily basis.

Sometimes we as Christian husbands can become so wrapped up in our careers, hobbies or even our ministries (as this woman’s husband is a church elder and counselor) that we can become neglectful of the needs of our wives and children. This woman’s story should serve as reminder for each of us as believing husbands to make sure we are knowing our wives as God would have us to.

The second thing that Jenn’s husband might be doing is neglecting to honor his wife. This is a duty that God calls Christian husbands to. He does not appear to be honoring her in her role as his helpmeet. I also wrote a post on this subject entitled “12 Ways to Honor you wife” where I go into detail on how a man can honor his wife.

A big part of honoring one’s wife – is to show her that she is valued and to praise her for her work in the home. It is also about making sure that her children are respectful of her. From what I saw in this woman’s sad account – it appears her husband may not be doing any of this. This story should serve as admonishment to all of us as Christian husbands how it makes our wives feel when we don’t know them(talk to them and listen to them) and when we don’t honor them(value them and praise them).

It appears that if this woman’s account is accurate – her Christian husband has been neglecting many of his duties to her (and perhaps his children as well).

Is withholding sex a tool that God allows a wife to use to change her husband’s behavior?

Jenn as well as many other women (Christian and non-Christian alike) believes that withholding sex is valid and justified tool when a husband is neglecting his duties to her and his children. But as sad as these types of stories are – two wrongs never make a right. God does not allow for sex to be withheld as a tool to modify bad behavior, or to encourage right behavior on the part of a spouse (either the husband or the wife).

“Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.” – I Corinthians 7:3-4

“Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.” – Ephesians 5:24 (KJV)

The Scriptures are clear in the area of sex that a wife is to willingly give her body to her husband, she does not have the power to deny him or withhold sex from him. The Bible says she is to submit to her husband in “every thing”, and this includes in the area of sexuality.

The only way sex can be halted or denied in marriage is by mutual agreement to do so for a short time. People talk about consent in regards to sex all the time. Biblically speaking sex is only to occur in marriage. But in the context of marriage, consent is about ceasing from having sex for short period (mutually agreeing to not have sex). Consent is not about ALLOWING sex as sex is a duty and responsibility in marriage – it is a central part of the marriage covenant that you freely give your body to your spouse for the purposes of sex.

I have talked in previous posts about a husband having the right to discipline his wife, to motivate her to repent and change her bad behavior. But a husband is never allowed to use sexual denial to his wife as method of discipline. So for instance, if a man’s wife keeps denying him and then eventually she comes to him for sex – he is not allowed to deny her because she previously denied him.

The Bible tells us we should not repay evil for evil:

“Recompense to no man evil for evil..” – Romans 12:17 (KJV)

A wife in the same way is not allowed to deny or withhold sex from her husband in an effort to reform his bad behavior. When a wife withholds sex from her husband because of his bad behavior in other areas – this is a textbook example repaying evil for evil and God will not bless such actions by a wife.

In fact when we look at sex from the wife’s role, this is just one part of her overall submission to her husband. God does not allow a woman to stop submitting to her husband in any area of her life (including sex) in order to reform his bad behavior – except if he asks her to engage in an immoral or sinful activity.

But doesn’t giving a husband sex when he behaves wrongly encourage bad behavior?

Many women ask this question, and I think Jenn is inferring it by her comments above. The answer is that it is never wrong to do what God has commanded, in fact it is ALWAYS right to do what God has commanded. Short of a husband asking his wife to engage in a sinful activity – she is always to submit to him (including submitting her body to him for sex).

The Bible tells us this:

“Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.” – I Peter 3:9 (KJV)

In God’s view if a woman’s husband is treating her sinfully by neglecting his duties to her, she is to repay this evil behavior by blessing him with her continued submission, even in willingly giving her body to him for sex.

I know what I just said sounds CRAZY from a human perspective. But this is God’s way, not man’s way.

I completely realize that Jenn’s head is probably spinning right now and I truly feel for her situation with her husband. If she does not withhold sex, but blesses her husband with her body – freely and willingly won’t this tell him that everything is ok and she is fine with his neglectful behavior?

No – and here is the reason why. Jenn and any other woman can continue to bring her grievances about his neglect of her and her children. Nothing stops her from doing that. I think it would really make a man’s head spin, that his wife brings her grievance before him in a respectful manner in one hour, and later that evening willingly gives herself to him when he initiates sex with no attitude or hesitation. This can be a powerful tool for change in a husband, when he sees that his wife continues to submit to him, even though she has legitimate grievances with him.

Isn’t this abusive behavior?

Jen said this about submitting her husband sexually under these conditions:

“Continuing to engage in intercourse under those circumstances is submitting to sexual abuse, even though there is no force or violence involved.”

This is not sexual abuse for her husband to have sex with her while neglecting her legitimate needs in other areas.

Her husband’s behavior in other areas may definitely be inconsiderate, neglectful and sinful by Biblical standards. But him asking for sex and her yielding to him for sex(regardless of his failings outside the bedroom) is NOT sexual abuse. I have said this in previous articles and I will say it again here. Christian wives need to be very careful of using terms like “abuser”, “rapist” and “molester” when it comes to their sexual relations with their husbands. Unless a husband actually rapes a woman(has forcible sex with a woman he is not married to), touches a person other than his wife in a sexual manner, or actually physically abuses his wife, his children or others these terms have no place in these kinds of discussions.

Let be clear as I always have to be in these posts. If a husband forces himself sexually upon his wife, Biblically speaking this is not rape but it could be abuse. So in that case it might be legitimate to call the husband an abuser, but it would still not be right from a Biblical perspective to call him a rapist.

But based on this story, there does not seem to be any forcible sex going on.

But won’t allowing sex to continue cause bitterness in the wife?

Jenn said this about bitterness:

“Continuing to engage in intercourse for the wife leaves the door open for bitterness and resentment to fester.”

I think we could safely say, and Jenn would probably concede that bitterness toward her husband has definitely “festered” in her heart. God says this about bitterness:

“Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice” – Ephesians 4:31

Someone once said of bitterness, “Bitterness is like talking poison when you are mad at someone for wronging you, and then hoping they will die from it”. I have many men write me with bitterness in their hearts towards their wives over their wife’s sexual denial – some say some very hateful things toward them and I have to remind them that they need to let go of that bitterness, that it is a sin against God, their spouse and really their own bodies (because it hurts you when you are bitter).

This same truth would apply to Jenn and other Christian women that are dealing with husbands who are sinning against them by neglecting their duties.

A wife needs to understand the source of her bitterness towards her husband about sex

“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; “ – Hebrews 12:14-15(KJV)

If you don’t understand the root of your bitterness as a Christian wife, then you will never be able to remove it. The reason you grow bitter and resentful toward your husband when he initiates sex is this – you believe he did not earn it.

Let me put this another way. It is very easy for us as men to shut our wives out, to stop talking to our wives when they deny us sexually. It is easy for us to grow bitter and think – “She wants me to sit down and talk with her when every time I go to touch her she tells me “not tonight honey”. But our wives do not have to earn the right to talk to us by having sex with us. Talking to our wives, whether we feel like it or not is a duty of every husband.

In the same way as a Christian wife you must realize the truth that your husband does not have to earn sex with you by talking to you(as he should), honoring you(as he should) and doing other nice things for you. He has a right to sex with you because of the vows you made to him and before God.

When you as a Christian wife let this truth really settle in your heart, then you will find that you are no longer bitter at your husband when he goes to have sex with you – even when he is not doing right in other areas.

Does the husband’s behavior warrant divorce?

A husband being “spiritually lazy and hypocritical” is not grounds for Biblical divorce. Now if a man fails to provide for his wife and children and just sits on a couch all day while they lose their home and starve that may be another issue. But nothing I have seen in this story would allow for Biblical divorce.

A wife is not responsible to discipline her husband

A wife is not Biblically responsible (or allowed) to discipline her husband. The husband is spiritually responsible for his wife and his children and as the head of his wife and his home he has the right to attempt to discipline. As I stated in previous posts when it comes to the wife I don’t believe physical discipline is warranted or prescribed by the Scriptures. But other types of non-physical discipline like taking credit cards away, or stopping household upgrades may be used as discipline.

God does not hold a wife responsible for her husband’s wrong behavior, he only holds her responsible for her own behavior.

A situation like this can be extremely frustrating for a Christian wife, and we can see that all throughout Jenn’s post. But she and any other wives facing this type of situation needs to make sure they take a step back and realize they are not their husband’s mother, they are his wife.

What recourse can a wife take in this situation?

I think we can see that scripturally speaking a wife has no right to discipline her husband for sinful behavior and she does not have the right to stop submitting to him in any area, including in the area of sex because of his sinful behavior. To do so amounts to repaying evil for evil – something that is very plainly condemned in the Scriptures.

But a wife can continue to bring her grievances to her husband in a respectful way. She can ask her husband to attend counseling as this woman did.

But what if the husband never changes his ways?

Jenn would most likely respond to my last comment that “I tried counseling with him for 18 months and nothing changed! He says he will change with the counselor but he comes home and nothing changes!”

Is it possible that even if Jenn repents of her bitterness, and submits herself in all ways(including sexually) to her husband that he will still not change his ways and do what God would have him do as a husband? Unfortunately the answer is yes – he may never change his ways.

Also it can help to realize that you are not the only woman or man that faces these issue of being mistreated by their spouse. I often get emails from Christian husbands asking if they can divorce their wives for less than Biblical reasons.

These are some of the things they ask about:

They ask if they can divorce their wives for belittling them and disrespecting them – the Bible says no.

They ask if they can divorce their wives for going against their wishes and disobeying – the Bible says no.

They ask if their wife is giving them sex, but with a bad attitude and she just lies there like a dead fish can they divorce their wives – the Bible says no.

They ask if their wife is too involved in her career and other activities outside the home can they divorce their wife? Unless their wife is sexually denying them or cheating on them they cannot divorce her for being too involved in her career.

The truth is that we live in a sin cursed world and sometimes people do not submit themselves to God and repent. Sometimes our spouses have horrible attitudes, or they are neglectful of our feelings. Sometimes spouses are extremely selfish.

I believe though in these cases where husbands are not doing what God says they should do for their wives – Christian wives can get through this difficulty by depending on the Lord, and recognizing that their submission to their husband, is really them submitting to God.

“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.” – Ephesians 5:22

So perhaps from a human perspective, your husband has done nothing to earn your submission. But would say you don’t owe God your submission? It is God who is commanding you to submit to your husband.

What Jenn and other Christian wives need to do in this situation

Acknowledge your hurt and your feelings of disappointment with your husband, don’t bury it, don’t repress it. Give it to God, Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.(I Peter 5:7)

Pray and ask God to forgive you for any bitterness you are harboring in your heart toward your husband. Pray that God will strengthen you to be able to submit to and please your husband with a right heart and a right attitude. Pray that God will change your husband’s heart and reveal his sin to him so perhaps he will be the husband that God meant him to be.

Pray that God will continually remind you that your submission to your husband is really submission to God himself.  When you submit to your husband it pleases God, especially when he knows it is hard for you to do it because of your husband’s behavior.

All of us need God each day, we can’t live this Christian life in our own strength.

I have often posted links to my churchian experience. As I was surfing I came across this post on Vox Days site. My experience was at least confined to me. However another parent had his children attacked. Let me say one thing. If your church condones political correctness in ANY FORM your church is infested with this. If you are church leadership who follows this insanity I would call you a false prophet at the best…demon possessed at the worst. If you find this offensive…good..it means you have a serious problem brewing and you had better get back to the Bible to fix it.  The excerpt points out something I point out very often.  I have been attacked and wronged more often by my “Christian Siblings” both personally and in business.

*Here is a poignant excerpt from the linked article*

When I was an atheist, no ambush by backstabbers happened to me, neither in my personal nor professional life. The moment I converted to Christianity, within minutes of my answering a question about my faith posed by a high school newspaper reporter, I earned the enmity of relatives and strangers.

Editors and publishers who had hitherto been willing to publish my work, and readers who had been hitherto willing to vote awards for my work, suddenly denounced me with a fury unrelated to reality. International newspapers were eager to dunk my name in calumny, and facts be damned. No accusation was too untrue or too absurd to level against a man who dared be Christian and take the faith seriously.

But I had been warned by Christ’s own words that the world would hate me for His sake, so I express no surprise. I knew before I signed up what I was signing up for.

Since I was the same person before and after conversion, one can conclude with the precision of a scientific experiment what provokes the hellish ire and reckless slander.

It is not me they hate, or, at least, not me for my own sake. It is Christ. I am not their judge. I have no authority over them. I cannot shed the unwelcome light to make them see their own corruption. He is. He has. He can.

Hence, I cannot take offense with them for my sake, since I am not the offended party. Christ is the one they slander, mock, flog, scorn, stab and crucify. He prays to the Father that they be forgiven. They know not what they do.

Such love is beyond my comprehension. A deep mystery is here.

My observation is that these are not bad people. They are good people deceived and controlled by bad ideas. I am tempted to say possessed by bad ideas, or, rather, by a bad spirit. Such is the spirit of the age. It devolves them into Morlocks and Eloi: but their blood is still human.

From my youth up, I have always been phlegmatically indifferent to the opinions of those whose opinions are based on neurotic emotion, because such opinions are without merit. From my point of view, if Tor Books wishes to insult my readers, or World Con voters wish to vote my works under ‘No Award’, their reputations are harmed, not mine. I continue as before.

In such a case, forgiveness is logical and necessary: the hatred harms only the hater, who inner darkness and unreason is exposed to the candid eye of man and angel alike.

But my son is not prepared for betrayal by people, such as Christian pastors, such as his own scoutmaster, whom I taught him to trust, respect and obey.

The world where chaplains will denounce you for being Christian, or Boy Scouts will expel you for being patriotic, is a new world to him.

When a Leftist Christian has to decide between Leftism and the teachings of Christ, he goes Left. When a Leftist Scout has to decide between Leftism and the teachings of Robert Baden Powell, he goes Left. Leftist put Leftism before all other loyalties.

Perhaps the lesson with toughen his spirit.

The lesson may be useful for my friends and readers as well:

The corruption is everywhere. To judge from their acts rather than their words, the corrupt wish not only to cow you into silence, dear reader, they wish to rob your children of innocent happiness.

In the broader picture, protests against Sharia Law were organized across the country this weekend, and community organizers on the Left gathered against them, not without violence, to silence this defense of Constitutional liberties and Angloamerican Common Law.

The countermarch by homosexuals and lesbians heckling and rioting in favor of the barbaric laws of Mohammed, which, if enacted here as they are abroad, would execute or mutilate the coutermarchers, or reduce them to chattel dressed in garbage bags, is an irony only a psychopathologist can explain, or perhaps an exorcist.

In the Looking-Glass world, no pastor stands up for Christ, nor do Boy Scouts stand up for Scouting.

We are not dealing with a political movement. A political movement would be satisfied with political power.

Whether the enemy’s rank and file are knowingly hypocritical or unknowingly, only mindreader could know. Such nuances of guilt or mitigation are not for us to judge.

All an outside observer can tell is that their words are always, always, always contrary to their actions.

In the name of liberating women, they urge mothers to commit infanticide.

In the name of antifascism, they commit fascism.

In the name of alleviating poverty, they enact minimum wages laws to increase unemployment.

In the name of lowering health care costs, they enact rationing which creates shortages which raises costs.

In the name of equality, they enact socialism, erect barbed wire walls, and make whole nations into prison camps.

In the name of safety, they hamper the Second Amendment which makes free men safe.

In the name of liberty, they forever expand the state.

In the name of charity and compassion, they enact socialist death camps the size of nations, and surround who continents with barbed wire.

And so on, and on, and on.

The Southern Baptist Convention, if this proclamation is ratified, will have gone from one of the most biblically based protestant denominations to squarely within the churchian theology.

Resolution for the 2017 SBC Annual Meeting – Condemning the Alt-Right & White Nationalism

Resolution On The Condemnation of the “Alt-Right” Movement and the Roots of White Supremacy

Submitted to the Resolutions Committee for the
SBC Annual Meeting, Phoenix, AZ, June 13-14,  2017
by William Dwight McKissic, Sr.

WHEREAS, Scripture teaches that from one man God made every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation (Acts 17:26); and

WHEREAS, the prophet Isaiah foresaw the day when the Lord would judge between the nations and render decisions for many people (Isaiah 2:4); and

WHEREAS, the Psalmist proclaims the Kingdom is the Lord’s, and He rules over the nations; and

WHEREAS, the promise of heaven includes the eternal blessings of the Tree of Life for God’s people, which includes the healing of the nations that comes from the leaves of that tree; and

WHEREAS, the supreme need of the world is the acceptance of God’s teachings in all the affairs of men and nations, and the practical application of His law of love; and

WHEREAS, all Christians are under obligation to seek to make the will of Christ supreme in our own lives and in human society, opposing all forms of racism, selfishness, and vice, and bringing government and society as a whole under the sway of the principles of righteousness, truth, and brotherly love; and

WHEREAS, just societies will order themselves as free men and women and organize at various times and for various purposes to establish political order and give consent to legitimate government; and

WHEREAS, the liberty of all nations to authorize such governments will, at times, allow for the rise of political parties and factions whose principles and ends are in irreconcilable conflict with the principles of liberty and justice for all; and

WHEREAS, there has arisen in the United States a growing menace to political order and justice that seeks to reignite social animosities, reverse improvements in race relations, divide our people, and foment hatred, classism, and ethnic cleansing; and

WHEREAS, this toxic menace, self-identified among some of its chief proponents as “White Nationalism” and the “Alt-Right,” must be opposed for the totalitarian impulses, xenophobic biases, and bigoted ideologies that infect the minds and actions of its violent disciples; and

WHEREAS, the roots of White Supremacy within a “Christian context” is based on the so-called “curse of Ham” theory once prominently taught by the SBC in the early years—echoing the belief that God through Noah ordained descendants of Africa to be subservient to Anglos—which provided the theological justification for slavery and segregation. The SBC officially renounces the “curse of Ham” theory in this Resolution; now be it therefore

RESOLVED, that the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in Phoenix, AZ, June 13-14, 2017, denounces every form of “nationalism” that violates the biblical teachings with respect to race, justice, and ordered liberty; and be it further

RESOLVED, that we reject the retrograde ideologies, xenophobic biases, and racial bigotries of the so-called “Alt-Right” that seek to subvert our government, destabilize society, and infect our political system; and be finally

RESOLVED, that we earnestly pray, both for those who lead and advocate this movement and those who are thereby deceived, that they may see their error through the light of the Gospel, repent of their perverse nationalism, and come to know the peace and love of Christ through redeemed fellowship in the Kingdom of God, which is established from every nation, tribe, people and tongue.

The problem is the author either doesn’t know the Bible at all or is willingly ignorant of it….right before my wife died she had mentioned she was beginning to have serious reservations about both the church she(not I though) was attending and the broader SBC as a whole.  Rather than re-invent the wheel when it comes to analyzing this proclamation I found another post of someone who has already done it.

This is a very good analysis of the most recent proclamation brought before the SBC for ratification:

https://bravianthought.blogspot.com/2017/06/analysis-of-sbc-resolution.html

Today is a sad day.

“Resolution for the 2017 SBC Annual Meeting – Condemning the Alt-Right & White Nationalism”

   It is important to be precise when delicate situations like this exist. As I begin to write this response to the Southern Baptist Convention’s Resolution that was posted on May 28th, 2017, I pray for the Holy Spirit to guide my thoughts and to convict those peoples who happen to lay their eyes on my words to be convicted and see the truth within them.

It is time to dissect this resolution and introduce some context.

The Southern Baptists have been in decline.

1. Their Birth rates are down.
2. Their Evangelism rates are down.
3. They don’t have an accurate grasp on the condition of their organization, statistically, as they are missing data from 1/4th of their congregations.
4. People are giving less to them
5. In contrast to their decline in population and wealth, they have been steadily growing the NUMBER of churches for the last 18 years, with another 479 (1%) net growth last year. This indicates a tendency to focus on Churchianism instead of being Followers of Christ.
6. More liberal churches within the convention contain the largest amount of baptisms.

   I’ve only been a Christian for about 9 months. Within those months, I have hopped around Central Virginia trying to find a church which is not Social Justice Converged nor lacking in truthful scriptural backing. Initially, I felt a draw towards Baptist churches. Disturbingly, I also felt an intuition that there was a disharmonious spirit in the air within these churches. I concluded that I simply did not have a large enough sample size to formulate a coherent reason why I felt that. With this new resolution, I now have enough information. The corruption has spread to the top.

In their attempt to appeal to the masses, the same masses which would condemn Jesus Christ to Death, they have rejected Him and have become blind.

Now for the line-by-line analysis to back up my rhetoric.

Resolution on The Condemnation of the “Alt-Right” Movement and the Roots of White Supremacy
Submitted to the Resolutions Committee for the SBC Annual Meeting, Phoenix, AZ, June 13-14, 2017
By William Dwight McKissic,Sr.

   The use of air quotes indicates that the author does not understand what the Alt-Right even encompasses. Bait and Switch snake-tongue tactic used, swapping out White Nationalism with White Supremacy, even though they are different conceptual models. Note: I do not endorse White Nationalism because it is an incoherent model, seeing as there is no such thing as the “White Nation”. White Supremacy is also dumb, primarily because the differences between the white nations are too substantive and broad to categorize as a single entity of supremacy, although there are also ethical conclusions which are foolish in regards to the supremacy of any people over another. I am not up to date on church politics, but it appears that the Resolutions Committee has an opportunity to reject this resolution on June 13-14, 2017. I advise that they do so due to the lack of precision detailed within this document. The author, William Dwight McKissic, Sr. has not taken the time to understand exactly what the Alt-Right ideology is, and therefore is not making correct conclusions. Although he has already been caught in snake-tongue tactics and I haven’t even begun to look at the body of the resolution. A couple minutes of intensive research reveals that he has not been known to make wise decisions in his expression of his theology, and I would posit that this resolution is within that same category.

WHEREAS, Scripture teaches that from one man God made every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation (Acts 17:26); and


This piece of scripture is relevant only in pointing out that nations do, in fact, exist, and that they were made by God himself. It is important to note that directly following Genesis 10 to which Acts 17:26 is obviously referencing, The nations then unified in the story of the Tower of Babel in Genesis 11. One can properly infer that this has been the most diverse place in regards to nations, in the history of the biblical story. What did God do? He dispersed them and confused their language. It is God-willed that the nations exist separately from each other, and not mixed together in Unity and in the name of Diversity and speaking the same language. The natural objection would be Galatians 3:28 where Paul says that there is neither Jew nor Greek. If you stop the analysis there, then I would agree with the objection. But we do not stop the analysis there. In context, Paul is talking about how we are not held captive under the old law due to our justification through faith in the Lord Christ Jesus, and because of this, the faith is not limited to any singular nation, class, or sex. If we are to take Paul’s words as an indication that when one becomes a Christian, they immediately lost all nationality, then we must also conclude that the concept of slavery and freedom are no longer in existence when one becomes a Christian (thus rationalizing slavery) and that there neither female nor male Christians exist. Now, Acts 17:26 also gives a hint to how we should conceptually model the nations. This verse says that God determined the boundaries of their habitation, which would lead to the conclusion that the nation is not talking about the legal structure above a people, but instead about the people themselves.

WHEREAS, the prophet Isaiah foresaw the day when the Lord would judge between the nations and render decisions for many people (Isaiah 2:4); and


The only comment I have upon this reference to scripture is the fact that we are observably not in the day when nation shall not lift up sword against nation, and I also propose that, as the scripture says, be God who determines that day, not us.

WHEREAS, the Psalmist proclaims the Kingdom is the Lord’s, and He rules over the nations; and


Yes, but a nation can refuse to follow his commands


WHEREAS, the promise of heaven includes the eternal blessings of the Tree of Life for God’s people, which includes the healing of the nations that comes from the leaves of that tree; and


Do not fall into the false song of utopia on Earth, for it is in Heaven that this healing will be done.


WHEREAS, the supreme need of the world is the acceptance of God’s teachings in all the affairs of men and nations, and the practical application of His law of love; and


Yes, which must necessarily include a stringent adherence to the Truth, the Logos. Which is why the author’s complete ignorance of Alt-Right philosophy is worrisome, in the least.


WHEREAS, all Christians are under obligation to seek to make the will of Christ supreme in our own lives and in human society, opposing all forms of racism, selfishness, and vice, and bringing government and society as a whole under the sway of the principles of righteousness, truth, and brotherly love; and


Racism is not a coherent idea, and has no applicable definition. The cause of Racism as we conceptualize it is rooted in sin which is deeper than simply a buzzword. Opposing all forms of selfishness? Is this guy following the same Jesus that I claim to follow? You know, the one who said to the Canaanite woman that It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs. Additionally, His law of love as described in Matthew 22:34-40 is dependent on selfishness. The command to love your neighbor as yourself is dependent on the idea that you have a selfishness inherent within you, and that it is to be used in the functionality of empathy in order to love your neighbor in the same selfish manner in which you would love yourself. Yes, oppose Vice. The next statement is where he goes even further off the deep end. Bringing government and society as a whole under the sway of the principles of righteousness, truth, and brotherly love? I would love to see the justification for that statement. Christianity has an individualistic philosophical foundation. There is a reason that Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods. Note that he does not say to make Caesar righteous, to give him truth, or to give him brotherly love.

WHEREAS, just societies will order themselves as free men and women and organize at various times and for various purposes to establish political order and give consent to legitimate government; and


Depends what you mean by free. and political order. and consent. and legitimate government. Lack of precision indicates sloppy thought processes, possibly an emotional reaction, partly caused by his confusion of the incoherent ideology of White Nationalism/Supremacy with the Omninationalist ideology of the Alt-Right.

WHEREAS, the liberty of all nations to authorize such governments will, at times, allow for the rise of political parties and factions whose principles and ends are in irreconcilable conflict with the principles of liberty and justice for all; and


This is actually a completely truthful statement. The only problem is that the context of the rest of the resolution points towards the idea that he is referring, at least partially, to the Alt-Right. This would more accurately be attributed in the context of ideologies which are cradled with Marxist undertones.

WHEREAS, there has arisen in the United States a growing menace to political order and justice that seeks to reignite social animosities, reverse improvements in race relations, divide our people, and foment hatred, classism, and ethnic cleansing; and


Wow, I did not expect him to pivot towards attacking the BLM movement, Post-Modernists, Feminists, and Neocons. Alt-Right philosophy is designed as anti-Marxist. More evidence that he has no idea what he is talking about, and is simply virtue-signalling, or conflating White Nationalism/Supremacy with the Alt-Right, which is inaccurate.

WHEREAS, this toxic menace, self-identified among some of its chief proponents as “White Nationalism” and the “Alt-Right,” must be opposed for the totalitarian impulses, xenophobic biases, and bigoted ideologies that infect the minds and actions of its violent disciples; and


I have now concluded that this man is either not well-read, or has a low IQ, or both. The Alt-Right arose from an opposition to all of the accusations he is throwing at the Alt-Right. Holding the gun backwards in your hand is not useful to shooting your enemy. What part of OmniNationalist does he not understand? The right for all nations to have sovereignty over themselves under God is a fundamental right which he is denying due to its “xenophobia” and “bigotry”.

WHEREAS, the roots of White Supremacy within a “Christian context” is based on the so-called “curse of Ham” theory once prominently taught by the SBC in the early years – echoing the belief that God through Noah ordained descendants of Africa to be subservient to Anglos – which provided the theological justification for slavery and segregation. The SBC officially renounces the “curse of Ham” theory in this Resolution; now be it therefore


Not necessarily true, but I agree with the renunciation of the curse of Ham theory, as it is not based in truth. I would also suggest that a separate resolution be made for the renunciation of that theory, due to the potential gravitas of the idea. Although, I have not met a single person in my 20 years on earth that actually subscribes to this theory.

RESOLVED, that the Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in Phoenix, AZ, June 13-14, 2017, denounces every form of “nationalism” that violates the biblical teachings with respect to race, justice, and ordered liberty; and be it further


To denounce every form of nationalism, which he air quotes due to his inability to grasp the concept, is to embrace globalism and all of its subsequent consequences. This NeoBabelism that has taken over this man’s mind is dyscivic. Sad! I will take this moment to make the claim that OmniNationalism does not violate the biblical teachings of anything, let alone respect to race, justice, and ordered liberty.

RESOLVED, that we reject the retrograde ideologies, xenophobic biases, and racial bigotries of the so called “Alt-Right” that seek to subvert our government, destabilize society, and infect our political system; and  be finally


Right here he exhibits another instance of snake-tongue. He has attributed retro-gradation to the Alt-Right, which is a modern movement which is harmonious with historical reality, and he does not distinguish the concepts of race vs nation in his mind. It is almost as if the author is incapable of seeing anything except the color of peoples skin. Societies which have fallen to the Prince of Lies should be destabilized, and the modern day political system is worse than a joke, it is fulfilling the agenda of Neobabelism and Anti-Christianity. The author sees a needle enter into the political system and assumes that a virus is about to be injected, when in fact the vaccine is being administered for the infection which already exists within the system.

RESOLVED, that we earnestly pray, both for those who lead and advocate this movement and those who are thereby deceived, that they may see their error through the light of the Gospel, repent of their perverse nationalism, and come to know the peace and love of Christ through redeemed fellowship in the Kingdom of God, which is established from every nation, tribe, people, and tongue.

   I appreciate the call to prayer. In the same way that I appreciate the Islamic call to prayer. If one is praying that his resolution goes through, then one is not praying to the Creator God of the Universe, the Logos who is Lord Christ Jesus. It is not the Gospel which brings light, but the Word Himself. It is humorous that he claims that the people who are fighting for the sake of Christendom are deceived. I seem to recall a saying by someone important about taking a log out of your own eye before taking the speck out of your brother’s. His last statement is particularly troubling, as he claims the the Kingdom of God is established from every nation, tribe, people, and tongue. This is false. Christendom is established by the Christians. By definition, if a kingdom is established by any other people, then it is not the Kingdom of God.

Conclusion: William Dwight McKissic Sr. Should immediately resign from all of his positions within the Church due to:

His Lack of understanding of the concepts to which he purports to write about.
His blatant endorsement of the destruction of a Pro-Christian movement.
His bearing of false witness to brothers in Christ.
His snake-tongue presentation of this resolution.
His being a Social Justice Warrior.

If the SBC makes this resolution permanent, that institution shall be fallen to the Prince of Lies. To prevent this, all members of the SBC must get a copy of SJWs Always Lie and to clean up the convention of any Anti-Christian offenders. No matter how big they are, or insignificant they seem.

Thank you for taking the time to read this,
Theodore C. Brave

Just a quick preface note:

I am going to break all kinds of punctuation rules starting with the title.  I will capitalize things I feel are the most important not necessarily what grammar calls for and most assuredly not what the modern churchanity cultists call for.  I have spent many months and even years and this is only an excerpt of my overall feelings but it gives an insight into my overall thought line.  There are several links right after this section of text.  You will need to read them AND the links inside of those linked pages to be able to take this post into it full context.  This is not a quick exercise so get ready to invest some time.

  1.  Feelings towards “fellow christians”
  2. Persecution in America
  3. Churches Tweaking the Lions Tail
  4. Pastors Challenging the IRS 
  5. How the Gov’t CAN Interfere With NPOs
  6. Are Churches Ready to be Told How to Operate?
  7. The Fear Infestation of the Modern Church
  8. Christian Persecution is Only Just Beginning
  9. Destroying the Cult of Nice
  10. *UPDATE* 12/8/2016 How Christians are loosing the culture war by becoming Churchians..from a demons perspective.

I went into my time with my old church with grand illusions of wanting to do good for the cause of Jesus Christ.  The first warning sign was the entrenched you are an outsider attitude me and my family received.  My first instinct was to turn away but Heather being the eternal optimist convinced me to stay and keep trying.  So we did.  it turns out this church is pussified in many ways.  It is totally woman dominated with the men related to a support rule. In hindsight it always struck me as funny at how folks would bitch about the men not being very active in the church yet they did everything they could to minimize the role of men in true leadership of the church.  The real power was(and as far as i know still is) in the morass of committees that run the church which is where the real power is.  Finally after several attempts to energize the men which either were meant with inaction or were actively resisted I finally gave up.  It was only when I began to begin pushing to restore the Biblical role of men in the church dig various, very damaging incidents take place.

The first was I started hearing rumors around the church that folks were worried about my access to the church’s databases and how I could abuse the data.  To have my integrity questioned like that angered me and hurt at the same time.  I then made it known that first of all the staff could easily verify when any data had been accessed and it would be seen as what it was..baseless accusations.  When the accusations accelerated I found out who was spreading these lies and I then personally confronted the individual and told HER that if I am so untrustworthy she could have my keys and I will walk away from not only IT at the church but the church as well.  I also told this person good luck on finding someone who can run a 10k/year operation on literally next to nothing for NOTHING in pay.  I told her I did not need this bullshit.  If she has someone better in mind here are the keys.  She refused to take them and while she never apologized the rumors stopped.  This person would later be instrumental in organizing my exit from the church years later.

Next was when a worship band director at the time took issue with me and he cornered me in one of the offices and closed the door and proceeded to threaten me with physical harm and financial ruin.  Looking back I could have kicked his ass but I was so shocked at what I had just experienced that all I could do with cower back.  This person was very very rich and of decent influence in the church.  About 6 months later this person did something that I felt the need to stand up to him in public…right after a church service..in front of the entire congregation.  What is humorous is I did not instigate this incident the other party did apparently thinking I would back down.  Not this time butthead.  This time he did not threaten me like he did the last time but his behavior got him removed from the worship team.  he eventually left the church..and years later he sold his business.

The next incident was even more egregious.  At this point I do not even know why this occurred but I remember the details of the incident outside the building very well.  There was a “gentleman” that for some reason decided to come after me and my family and started making threats.  By now I had a well established reputation as a hothead(well deserved looking back…but it is who I am when I am passionate about something.  My family is one thing I am VERY passionate about.  You can attack me that’s fine but you go after my wife(who was able to take care of herself) or my kids and all bets are off).  This person decided to make some threats out in the church parking lot which led to a serious disagreement and eventually led to me becoming so enraged all I could think about was getting my hands on this individual.  Only one person stopped me..probably one of maybe three or 4 people I actually respected in that church(the senior pastor at that time)… physically stood in front of me and that is the ONLY reason I was not on top of this individual.  Several people saw the incident including one man who at the time was about 6 foot 7 inches tall and nearly 400 hundred pounds.  We talked about this years later and I asked him what he would have done had the senior pastor not shown up.  He told me that he would have let me,” knock the fucker down at least” before pulling me off of him.  Later I had child protective services crawling in my life due to a malicious false complaint of child abuse.  Me and Heather successfully fought this off and upon my own investigation I found out the individual who cowardly attacked me was a former promotional pass-over in the school district and I was able to confirm my suspicion of who made the false complaint. It was the same individual who made the threats in the parking lot weeks earlier.

The final straw was when the person who originally questioned my integrity got into conflict of authority with her superior.  I heard an disagreement between these two women and finally the superior said she was done and I tuned out.  I then heard the superior turn and re-engage with the subordinate.  I had enough of this persons crappy attitude and I physically interposed myself in between the two and told her straight up..back off or you won’t like the result.  I was firm but never raised my voice but made it clear with my tone that in my eyes this conversation was over..she was in the wrong..and she needed to move on.  I knew I had started a shitstorm as every time I had interfered with her plans I got a huge backlash.  I settled in for what I knew was going to be a big fight.  Keep in mind this person was less than half my size and I made no attempt to dial down what must have been a very intimidating pose.  Me and the superior(who also my superior in this wing) were talking and she asked me if I knew the hornets nest I had started up.  I basically replied..what else is new?  I see something wrong going on..I step in to put a bulwark in place..I get blow back….and everybody moves on after it is discussed and a resolution is in place.  We then heard the subordinate talking to the senior pastor castigating us.  I then intercepted this explaining to the senior pastor that no deacons have been informed of the incident and that we have not been notified of her disagreement which forced the pastor to refer her to her deacon.  Of course that didn’t happen.  The churchian aspect took over and the elders jumped right in and without talking to me or the superior and they came down with a judgement.  I do not remember what my superior had to do but I was immediately and forever removed from my duties at the security desk.  I was beyond angry and hurt.  There was no following not only church policy but most importantly the Biblical course for conflict resolution.  We never got in a room with the three of us to discuss it.  I and the superior offered the other person refused.  It comes down the elders demanded that I do two things…I must accept the elders decisions as just, Biblical, and final…and that I apologize for my role in the matter.  I decided at that point I could not submit to authority that could not even follow the Bible itself while self-righteously declaring themselves God over the church and that I MUST obey.  I left the church after that.  There were other minor incidents that took place afterwards that led to other actions being taken by me and I have finally been freed from the churchians grip.  Here is a modified version of the final e-mail I sent to the elders spokesperson about thing as they stand.  I have removed personal references.

In my final meeting with the elders spokeperson I was told we live in sensitive times. Unfortunately for me that means I am now seen as a physical threat to children apparently by the leadership of the church.  Not because of unbilical behavior….not because of the not willing to be held accountable..but now nearly two years later I am being blocked from the security desk due to the sensitive times we live in.  In other words the elders are worried that I am perceived as a threat to children based on one sentence uttered more than two years ago. 

Here is the issue:  If I am such a threat then why is the church so determined to keep me around?  If I am such a threat why do I have small children and their parents both inside the church and mostly outside the church asking me if I am refffing again every year?  If I was truly a threat I would not be getting my certification to referee middle school and high school game mainly at the request of parents outside the church in the community at large.

I’ll tell you why.  It is one word.  It is called FEAR.  It is as the root of these “sensitive times” we live in.  The fear of offense.  The fear of perception.  The fear of unforgiveness.  I could go on and on and on.  In a nutshell this locking me out of the children security desk is based on the fear of how I am perceived and by extension how the church would be perceived.  Shouldn’t the church be an example of forgiveness and reconciliation?  Locking me out of the security desk is the exact opposite.

after he clearly baited me in the front parking lot and was forgiven and after a short time of discipline and reflection is back in the band in a highly visible ministry.  The woman whom I interposed myself in front of after our conflict while resigning from the children’s area is still one of the biggest power brokers in the church and is highly visible doing so.  She has been forgiven and mostly restored.  The band leader who nearly physically assaulted me in front of the entire congregation was offered forgiveness based on discipline.  I do not know the specifics but he continued leading worship for a bit before he left.  Yet I, a man who mainly works in the background, am locked out due to a pervasive fear of what it may be perceived as. 

The Bible addressed fear over and over and over again.  If you want me to cite verses reply and I will.  It sounds like the Elders are worried me loosing my temper or threatening somebody.  I have not publicly lost my temper or raised my voice in the church in more than 3 years.  Even when I was conflicting with the subordinate not once did I raise the volume of my voice.  Not at any point while this was going on did I raise a hand towards nor raise my voice towards the subordinate or anyone else.  Yet because of the fear of how I may be perceived I am locked out. 

In closing you wanted to know why I have a fundamental problem with the elders that’s it.  I have already laid out my issues with how the initial conflict was handled by the elders.  I have been unable to articulate my other issues with the elders until today.  I was driving down the road and had this inspiration to articulate my feelings in a more clear way than I could even at the meeting today with two elder spokesmen.  I hope this missive helps the elders understand the reason I have a fundamental disagreement with them.  In my mind the elders are handling this issues incorrectly by Biblical standards.  If something isn’t Biblical no other regulation matters.  Please take the time to read this..reflect upon it and pray upon it.  I do not want to get a reply full of we are right..throw Bible verses at me..and continue down the same path the elders have been taking.  I have been IMMENSELY flexible having discourse let’s not take a step back from what progress has been made.  I fully expect for the Elders to disagree with me in many if not all areas.  This is just something that came to me during prayer driving down the road…take it or leave it as you see fit.

Now I know you are reading all of this and thinking..on my God what a horrible church.  That is not totally accurate.  What cemented my decision to leave and request my membership to be terminated and removed from the rolls is when in an attempt to at least reconcile I agreed to one more meeting after Heather’s death.  The elders pretty much told me the same thing which led me to say we are done and leave…forever.  I then had some member of the congregation reach out to me and ask why I have not been to the church in so long.  I explained I have serious issues with the elders which preclude me from attending to which i was told MULTIPLE TIMES,” just ignore them…we usually do anyways”.  Talking about a shock.  Multiple congregants telling me to ignore the leadership because they do?  I had to ask why would I attend a church that thinks so unfavorably of it’s senior leadership that they are routinely ignored?  That would explain why the only folks that attend church business meetings are usually the committee members and a few other that are in the good graces of the committees.

The congregation of my old church has stood behind me and my family throughout the years…good and bad.  Every time the leadership attacked me members of the congregation would rally around my family and help us.  When cps was sent against us they came in and helped us get everything perfectly organized so cps would close the case.  When we had serious financial problems they stepped in and helped us fill our oil tank without anything in return.  When Heather died the senior pastor and many many congregation members came to my side and helped out in so many ways.  Unfortunately I cannot in good faith and sound conscience attend a church with it’s members in closet rebellion to their senior leadership and whose senior leadership continue to hold to the judgement based on fear and lies in terms of removing me.  I have finally told the elders I will accept my excommunication from the security desk if the elders will admit they failed to follow the Biblical code for conflict resolution.  This will give my spirit peace so I can move forward…but it will still mean I will not step foot inside that church for worship ever again.

I have been searching for why I am so disillusioned with churches these days.  It really comes down to what is guiding the church….churchianity or the bible.  What is the difference? churchianity is the touchy-feely wimpy, fearful of offense type of Christianity that infests the modern church in so many forms.  My former long-term church was always this way but in the past 5 years really began the slide into churchianity. so what am I talking about here?  Well the biggest lie is that Jesus was a gentle person and didn’t even do anything violent or offensive.  This is a lie that so many churchians believe in and it is EASILY refuted in the Bible itself.  Just read the new testament when Jesus talks about the religious leaders of the time back then in context.  The translations I am sure also watered the language down a bit but Jesus was calling the Jewish leaders of that time some vile names.  For us the names are not shocking but again most people know nothing of history or the culture of the time.  I have yet to hear many pastors talk about the Bible in the correct context…yet they wonder why their messages are so hollow. Combine this with the touchy-feely, sjw/lgbtqjeudmdhdy(who knows how many letters will be added?) compatibility fear based let’s not offend anyone “preaching” and we can see why false teachers are so prevalent and/or why so many pastors sermons are ignored.  Churchianity also drives churches to do other things as well like:

  1.  Hang onto a government granted tax avoidance scheme which does NOTHING but guarantee the govt’s ability to interfere with their operations
  2. An overwhelming desire to affiliate with some kind of umbrella organization
  3. expel those who have a true passion for the Lord’s work
  4. Hat tip to Vox Day for this one:  Subscribing to the cult of nice

I have since been sporadically attending another church that has broken away from the sex scandal ridden sovereign grace movement which gave me hope.  I have since heard they want to associate with another movement whose name I cannot remember.  The first thing that came to my mind was WHY? Isn’t the bible all you need to guide a church and it’s flock?  It has led me to question do I want my family attending a church that their first move after breaking away from a corrupted movement is to immediately associate with another movement?  Why not just ride the words of scripture for your guidance?    I am not sure how long I am going to attend this church at this point either.  It has led me to realize that so many churches are leaning on the wrong things.  I was only just now able to articulate my feelings about this second church.

So what am I looking for?  A Biblical church.  One that is NOT afraid to stand on the Bible as it guidance and accountability with a fully Biblical structure.  If this model is followed they will give this world what it is so hungry for.  Jesus was not this dovesih, offend no one figure that modern churchians have put forward.  This has resulted in Christians becoming the fearful, weak, conflicted, and ineffective ministry we are now.  What do we need to do?  Let’s reject the cult of nice….the unbiblical view that ANYONE can get into heaven.  Honestly when I look at myself am I deserving of paradise?  How well have I followed the Lord’s Word and his Son Jesus Christ?  I think I have some work to do…and I think many many Christians do to.  Where is that leadership going to come from?  Is there a truly biblical Church out there?  I have for a few years wondered if I am on this thought journey to starting my own Church?  Right now I do not know the answer to these questions…but with prayer the Lord will show me the answers to these questions.  If he deems me worthy to lead a church…I will do so very reluctantly at first…let’s be honest..:)  The Lord may have me be the pillar since I am very very good at being the foundation and working in the background.  Right now I do not know what the answer is..but I do know what and where the answer is NOT.

 

I have been churchless for several years.  I have had many issues with churches and the people that attend them.  Just about every single one of them are fear infested, SJW/Churchian infested, and cannot handle someone who is willing to speak his mind when it goes against the grain.  A friend of mine whom I respect wanted me to try a church that is literally rebuilding after the membership was bamboozled by a crook that nearly literally stole the building and land right from under from them.  Luckily the scam was uncovered right before the title to the land was turned over.

 

It’s now been 6 weeks and I have been watching with great interest.  We have a church in Frederick called Summit Trace that has said they are going to help my church rebuild.  They have sent financial support and their lead pastor is coming to lead our church somewhere around the end of the year…as long as the congregation votes to confirm him as our pastor this upcoming Sunday.  I have been asked to provide IT and audio/sound mixing expertise to the church which is what I have been doing.  So far, so good.  We shall see how things progress moving forward.

One of the many tragedies of the past 4 years has been my inability to find a church home.  it’s been a long time and every church I have tried I do not feel like I belong there(including one i used to attend).  This morning, one of the few men claiming the title of Christian who actually deserve to wear that mantle, sent me the following:

I have a proposal regarding you blessing a church that is very much in need. I know you haven’t attached to a body yet, and one of my churches DESPERATELY needs some good tithing and serving believers to give things a boost. I thought of you and 3 others who have been “displaced” from their long term church homes as possible HUGE blessings to a very needy congregation.

Given my history with modern religion and modern Churchianity, i normally would reject a message like this out of hand…however This person is one I still have immense respect for and therefore i was instantly curious.  My previous main church I was considered a foundational member(whatever that meant as it didn’t mean what I thought it meant).  So now I get this message and my first thought is…Curiosity?  That’s not a William reaction that’s a spirit reaction.  so my reply to this inquiry?

you definitely have me curious…? I was a foundational member @(previous church) and it got me…well you know. I guess the fact that I am at least curious is a good sign?..?

Let’s see where this goes…Jesus is in charge on this one..left to my own devices I would not even explore this…:)

A short post..one with more links to other posts of mine.  I have not had a great time with churches, or other Christians, to be blunt.  These days the SJW’s have taken over many things including christianity and turned it into something I(and others) call churchianity.  It is basically our version of the Pharisees…folks have turned the churches into power centers for their own self-service instead of biblical service and obedience.

I am not the easiest person to get along with.  I am highly opinionated, boisterous, hot-headed.  I am also extremely loyal…(only after you have earned my trust and respect…which is NOT an easy task)..and once you are a friend I will remain your friend unless you attack my family…then all bets are off.  I have been told, more than a few times, that I remind them of Peter.  A highly excitable follower of Jesus that can get himself into trouble with my passions.  This is true…I do my best..but I know who I am as well.  I will accept rebuke when shown, most of the time..i am far from perfect, I am wrong.  Overall, I am a loyal, high faith person with the tendency to be overly blunt and loud…:)  I have found many folks do not handle that well…and so I have to just stay in the background.  I have also found that being in the background is where i am the best.

I have one church I am thinking about returning to though.  i left not because I sensed a massive churchian infestation, but the church suddenly had massive leadership issues and called in another ministry I had never heard of.  My research into this ministry did not give me a good feeling…so i made my exit.  The leadership shakeup was so severe I was not sure the church itself would survive.  I recently inquired of a friend of mine that did attend(and, as i found out, still does) and they have moved into a building, the leadership has steadied up and it appears they are on solid footing.  I will check them out again this Sunday and see how things are going…hopefully things have settled down enough where I do not feel like I am walking into a hurricane.  Do I expect a 100% trouble free time..of course not..it is a gathering of people…but I am hoping for at least minor waves instead of the tsunami I saw coming the last time I was there..:)

This incident took place late last year….it has taken me this long to calm down…as this was a man I respected in the local business community…no more.

I have to tell you…if my faith in Jesus wasn’t as strong as it was I would have left Christianity long ago.  Here recently I was attacked by a “Brother in Christ”.  One day I get a call from another friend of mine saying he was notified that our stream hosting arrangement was being cancelled.  Considering it was a free virtual machine and was given free bandwidth to host our stream(and the website as well) I was not upset.  Sooner or later that was going to be called back…I expected it.  What i did not expect was for the other person who owned the company to say I was doing things on the virtual machine that were never agreed to and that was why the agreement was being terminated.  SERIOUSLY?  I replied back angrily and demanded to know what i was doing that was not in the agreement(I had the first person CC’ed in all correspondence).  The reply was so comical…i was informed that the unauthorized activities was hosting two other websites in addition to the first website on the vm.  That’s when the first person jumped in and reminded company owner those other two sites were HIS ministry pages and he has PROOF that those two sites were authorized by the dude who was pulling the agreement…and that the attack on my integrity was not acceptable.

Ultimately we were given two weeks to move.  I had the stations entire online infrastructure moved to my hosting services in 24 hours.  I never received an apology for the unprovoked attack upon my integrity either.  The reliability of incidents like this only serve to reinforce my belief that many folks who claim Christianity…aren’t.  They are churchians at best and demon possessed at the worst.  It worked out well for me in the end.  I gained another web hosting client who is very satisfied with my services, and I am also gaining clients at a slow but steady pace.  The other business has since been sold(not because it was doing poorly…he wanted to finance another business he owns) but at least I know to steer clear of him and any business he touches.

Anytime a title like this gets put online folks are filled with skepticism…it’s understandable, most folks have never truly come face to face with a real demon.  This includes most pastors, faith leaders, etc etc etc.  Demons do exist..not in the Hollywood way but they do exist.  The picture I am going to show you is one that’s been everywhere…but most folks were confused by this person’s appearance.  Normally I would write this off to just a person with a serious narcissistic personality traits….but something stopped me:

For those with the gift of discernment you will instantly “feel” what is going on here.  This person is not acting of his own accord but of the demon that is possessing him.  I personally have had several dealings with demons…back when i was a Druid.  I honestly had no idea what i was doing in the world of the occult at first…once I started attracting and then inviting demons(I never knew they were demons until my reconversion back to Christianity…not Churchianity which is everywhere) did i truly understand what I had gotten myself into.  Demons do not often show themselves this outwardly which is why most times when I see this I write it off as a narcissist…but this time my spirit told me…hold up..you have dealt with this type of entity before.  Do not assume in the future if you see someone act this way that they are possessed…It is rare that demons actually show themselves in this way…but it is striking when they decide to do so….

I have been doing a fair amount of commenting on Facebook.  However this post needs more formatting control than what i can do on Facebook easily.

I am not a total MGTOW type but I can see some of their points.  There lies fault on both sides in the current male and anti-male conflict going on.  The death of my wife has forced me to look at myself, about my shortcomings, and examine some of my beliefs but mostly reaffirm beliefs I have always held but laid dormant for decades.

this is an interesting debate: https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/unshakable-belief/

One excerpt I am posting here:

And there is something else here as well – I have nothing to back this up except my gut – but I suspect a subversive ‘fake it til you make it’ dynamic would also come into play here. Long a mantra men new to Game, it think it would also act on women, but less consciously; for I suspect it is hard to fake femininity for any length of time without actually becoming feminine. Just about all women have the true feminine inside them – and faking it would inevitably tap into it. I suspect that once they see the power of their femininity (and make no mistake, femininity and submission ARE female power, in relation to men) many would continue down the road to authenticity. Just like men, many women too have never experienced true femininity.

Since men have checked out..from my generation to the current generation mentioned about, women are beginning to realize(again) that this ultra militant anti-male propaganda has taken their choice of truly mate-worthy men away. How do they find them now? They get em young..like 18 or even younger…when they can be shaped and molded(or so they think) into their vision of “perfect men”. However since women who are now acting with some sense of true feminism…laced with heavy doses of desperation…think they can mold these young boys into their version of men…but they inevitably get outed because young men and boys are braggarts…always have been..and no amount of anti-male ideology is going to change that.  Be careful what you wish for ladies.

The paragraph above is very revealing for the enormous spike in male pedophilia. Because women are screaming various anti-male slogans, using the state to brand men rapists, deadbeats, among other things(even moreso if you are white..and State forbid if you are Christian…and GOD forbid if you aren’t a Churchian)…and using the power of the gov’t to make it financially, mentally, and emotionally uneconomical to bother with women they have gone to things they can find that are “good enough”. What many anti-males do not understand is men do not desire perfection..good enough is just that…good enough. If there are no other options available we will check out and be perfectly fine with “good enough”.  Men will always be on the lookout for something better but it will be evaluated thoroughly, over a long time, and be looked at with abject and open skepticism until it is proven to be better than what is available. That can be years, decades, or even a lifetime in the making.  For some men the thought…or the reality of being alone without a mate leads to the same destructive desperation that has led to the rapid rise in male pedophilia.  Whereas women are emotional, and often mercurial creatures; men are much more logical, long term thinking, and objective. There are exceptions of course…and those exceptions are what make things interesting.(Of course there are those in both genders that are jsut mentally ill in whatever way..this post is about rational folks).

My take on things? Defcon 2 right now. I am on the lookout for future disturbances and doing my best to build up myself to be self-sustaining….if that means having to work two jobs(my business and another job…or taking a full time job long enough to get 100% out of debt and then get back into self-employment) so be it. The more i dig into things the more my radars go off and the more cautious i get in terms of my long term viability. I have two kids to provide for…the gov’t is NOT a viable long term solution(never has been actually)..and so far i have been able to stay off the gov’t welfare teat.  Due to many factors I am only concerned with getting my girls onward in life ready for things to come.  I cannot give them everything but they will have the benefit of my life experiences(which is much more vast than many folks realize).  Conceited?  You can call it that…but i know what i know.  Those few that have taken the time to REALLY get to know me(and there are very very few) know i say this with confidence..not false pride.  Divine intervention will be required for me to deviate from my singular course of action(in terms of relationships with the fairer sex) or most churches for that matter.  I have not lost my faith in Jesus.  To the contrary, it has been immensely strengthened.  My biggest hurts, most vicious attacks, and biggest problems have been from, plotted by, and carried out by Churchians masquerading as Christians.  Real Christians are few and far between.  To the few I actually respect, keep up the good work in your own way.

 

I have been visiting many churches in the past couple of years looking for someplace I can call my church home.  My anchor throughout this journey has been two things:  First is my faith in Jesus Christ.  Second was my now deceased wife Heather.  She helped me stay grounded in many ways.  When she passed the church I currently “attend” was sent from heaven to assist me and my family in our time of shock, grief and need.  That church congregation for the most part has been excellent and caring towards my family and myself.  However things elsewhere aren’t nearly as pleasant.  I have seen both in this church and many others a reluctance do so some things we are called to do by the Bible and an unwillingness to do other things due to  “sensitive times” we are living in.  I had only taken a passing notice of this phenomenon until it came to a head at my current church.

What is this pervasive infestation that is dragging down so many church and ministries?  FEAR.  It is at the root of so many actions and inaction in the church today.  You can now make a bad choice of words prompted by somebody’s else’s bad actions and because of that you are locked out of a ministry forever due to the fear of a perception of a dangerous individual being allowed around children.  You can now be effectively excommunicated for daring to speak the words of truth at a church function or meeting for fear of offense.  I have yet to hear a sermon recently not condemning the homosexual but showing how God sees the act of homosexuality, which by the way is the same thing as fornication(there’s a huuuuuge difference there) for fear of reprisal.  There are many many militant Christians out there who are using the Bible as a club instead of preaching the salvation of Jesus Christ for those who turn from there sinful ways for fear they will not be heard.  So many things that are being done out of fear and so many things NOT being done out of various fears. Do not take this as my changing what i think if Biblical or what is not.  This is mainly a statement of what I have seen in the Church for the past couple of years…and not jsut one church but many churches that i have visited in the past couple of years.  We are told to go boldly out and spread the Gospel….where has that spirit gone?

I have a warning for ALL Christians.  It is already nearly illegal to stand in your religious beliefs when conducting business.  It soon will be illegal to refuse service to anyone as the gov’t sees the First amendment as nothing to be enforced for everyone but those whom the gov’t thinks should have those rights.  The day is fast approaching when preaching the truth from the Bible in regard to sexual immorality will be cause for the gov’t to take financial actions against your church.  I have talked about what is coming more than a few times on this site.  Simply uttering the name Jesus now is most likely offensive to more than a few people.  I have the signs of the cross on my vehicle, my shirts and my hats.  I get more than a few ugly stares when I am out and about.  However with the Lord’s help I am hoping to return to my earlier days when I was told i have a “bulldog” faith.  Now that i have some years on me the faith is tempered with compassion but my ability to hang onto my faith has not wavered.  My faith in “fellow Christians” is low but my faith in Jesus Christ is not.  What I have seen quite a bit of in the past years is “Churchianity” not “Christianity”.  Our lives are not supposed to revolve around the church but around Jesus Christ.  Many Christians think the Bibles admonishment of gathering in fellowship means a church but I strongly disagree.  I am a member of a Monday(or Tuesday or whenever during the week..(G).  I have learned more in the year of attending that Bible study than more than 10 years of consistent church attendance.  Why is that?  I can tell you why…THE LACK OF FEAR.  We do not always agree…actually there have been strong disagreements among ourselves.  We have always though agreed the Bible is the final arbiter and the word of God has the final say.  That is how it should be.

I was HIGHLY worried about how i was going to makeup the huge income hole Heather’s death left behind.  While it has not been totally filled in I will be able to keep the house and keep a roof over my family’s head.  I was terrified as a matter of fact.  Only when i gave it to the Lord did he send me the finances I needed to keep the house.  Everything else is going to be tight but that seems to be how God works things…:)  Fear is the opposite of trusting God.  It leads to poor decisions….bad financial management…unforgiveness…a multitude of things.  Christian get the fear out of your life.  Churches, get the fear out of your decision making.  You are hurting the very people you are supposed to be helping and you are severely hampering or destroying the ministries that are supposed to be thriving because of your existence.  Hurt people won’t come into your building and hurt Christians are left feeling even more bitter and hurt than the unbelievers.  When you stunt, degrade, hurt, utter falsehoods against a Christian you not only hurt the person Fear must be exposed for the demonic presence it is and rooted out and cast out.  Which church will be the first to stand on and with God against this modern day infestation?  I know not about the church but as for me and my house we will stand with the Lord.  Without fear and with the strength of Jesus Christ.